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and still no terrorist attacks on US soil, are the dept of defense and homeland security actually doing their jobs?
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greenmonkey911 wrote:and still no terrorist attacks on US soil, are the dept of defense and homeland security actually doing their jobs?
or was there just never another threat afterwards and they're using 9/11 as an excuse to keep us herded like sheep/cattle.
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with your infinite wisdom fatlip, have you no idea how many terrorist plots have been foiled in the last 4 years? it is beyond ignorant to say, with everything going on around the world today, regardless who's to blame, that there is no threat to America today.

the Brits were lax on their homeland security and look at what happened.
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greenmonkey911 wrote:the Brits were lax on their homeland security and look at what happened.
are you kidding? ... how are they supposed to monitor every dwelling place to make sure people aren't building strap on bombs? lax on homeland security... my butt.

..... if that stuff in london had happened and 9/11 had never occured would you have even used the term "homeland security?"

... just a thought. dunno what it makes me think about ... it just makes me think.
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mystoneybaby wrote:
greenmonkey911 wrote:the Brits were lax on their homeland security and look at what happened.
are you kidding? ... how are they supposed to monitor every dwelling place to make sure people aren't building strap on bombs? lax on homeland security... my butt.

..... if that stuff in london had happened and 9/11 had never occured would you have even used the term "homeland security?"

... just a thought. dunno what it makes me think about ... it just makes me think.
you don't have to monitor anything if you just don't ever let that kinda shit inside the country to begin with. allowing RADICAL muslims into this country, or any other group preaching violence against America, is just self-destructive.

and no, i wouldn't have called it "homeland security" per se, as that term hadn't been coined yet. i would've probably called it something else, but meant the same thing, like "domestic safety" or some other euphemistic bullshit.
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greenmonkey911 wrote: you don't have to monitor anything if you just don't ever let that kinda shit inside the country to begin with. allowing RADICAL muslims into this country, or any other group preaching violence against America, is just self-destructive.
When standing out in public or in an airport terminal how do you figure out that a person is muslim? and once you figure that out, how do you figure out that they are radical?
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a questionaire in the form of a Scantron. they can give out a test sheet and an answer sheet and little golf pencils and they can fill em out and run em before the plane takes off. problems all solved. biggest problem is if someone fills out Test A instead of Test B and they get all the answers wrong and that person ends up being jailed for the wrong reasons, that would suck. so learn from this man's mistakes and pay the fuck attention.
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mystoneybaby wrote:When standing out in public or in an airport terminal how do you figure out that a person is muslim? and once you figure that out, how do you figure out that they are radical?
i'm sorry i might not have made myself clear. it isn't up to the "everyday" people to figure stuff like that out, I was referring to the higher-ups in authority, who are known to have lists of known dangerous men, which i'm sure include every type of race/ethnicity/nationality/sex preference.

take that as far as it can go, and also implement a new system of immigration. make the laws tougher, more screening and shit. it would take longer, but hey, it would be worth it if even one attack is preempted.

muslims for the most part are peaceful people, who just happened to not be around here during the first 200 years of this country's existence, so there isn't much of a history together (except us buying their oil and bombing them).
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if mr. bush and his cronies were so worried about terrorism.. they wouldnt be starting a meaningless war in a place where the majority of the citizens are of the same religion as the "terrorists" they so fear.

osama bin laden, timothy mcveigh, george bush

2/3rds of those terrorists are american


reform starts from within.


p.s.: our founding fathers would also be considered "terrorists" under modern definition as well



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fatlip wrote:if mr. bush and his cronies were so worried about terrorism.. they wouldnt be starting a meaningless war in a place where the majority of the citizens are of the same religion as the "terrorists" they so fear.
you're not making too much sense. the war is taking place BECAUSE bush and his 'cronies' are so worried about terrorism. gotta hit em where they sleep. by your reasoning, we shouldn't have ever went into Germany where the majority of the citizens belonged to the political party everyone feared and loathed at the time.
fatlip wrote:osama bin laden, timothy mcveigh, george bush

2/3rds of those terrorists are american
i'm not dignifying that with a response, let me know if you really want me to address this point.
fatlip wrote:reform starts from within.
reform cannot start from within, for those within are used to and happy with how things are. reform can only be brought on by external forces (i.e. a revolution, a recall, etc..)
fatlip wrote:p.s.: our founding fathers would also be considered "terrorists" under modern definition as well
which definition is that? and how so?
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fatlip wrote:reform starts from within.
reform cannot start from within, for those within are used to and happy with how things are. reform can only be brought on by external forces (i.e. a revolution, a recall, etc..)
Have you ever heard of the Reformation? When the Prodestants Broke off from the catholic church? ... Matin Luther, John calvin.... those guys. That was a HUGE reform and it started in the very foundation of Catholicism. People WITHIN the church complained and forced a reformation.

Recall? Recall is brought on by outside forces? .... Ford recently recalled trucks from 1987-1999 or someting like that becuase THEIR investigations found that the airbag or some random part was causing the truck to catch on fire.... Yes, they had to look into the issue becuase of customer reports .... But THEY recalled the trucks because THEY felt it was neccessary. .... There wasn't a huge hub ub from all the owners demanding that the car be recalled. Ford did it of their own will. .... If the government had stepped in THEN it would have been outside forces.

Revolution triggered by outside sources? Ever heard of the American revolution? ... All British citizens fighting against the british. ... That is trauma from within. The british peeps in America weren't happy with the British Gov. across the atlantic and did something about it. .... it's not like the Indians we going " that king guy is an asshole. you should revolt." ... No one was pushing them on except for themselves. No outside forces needed.


Bottom line: reform starts from within.
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i meant recall as in Gray Davis in California. people wanted his ass out for mismanagement of funds and letting the state go bankrupt. people have the power and the voice; something broken can't fix itself.

i think it was jefferson who wrote that we need an overthrow of the (federal) govt every 20 years or so, or else it will become too powerful. i believe that has happened, and that states have lost a large amount of their powers over the years.

what i'm getting at is that the govt is too irresponsible for reforming itself, because that would lead to a power struggle and elected officials know that they may lose their seats that way. it's a black sheep no one wants to talk about.

if by american revolution you mean the War of 1812, it was AMERICAN citizens vs. the British. People had been emigrating to America for two centuries already, so by that time there were people from all throughout Europe living in the United States, all Americans.

by its very nature, reform cannot start from within. that is why, for example, if you're an addict, chances are you are going to need some outside help.
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if i meant the war of 1812 i would ahve said the war of 1812. .... The War of 1812 and the American Revolution are two completely different things.

Sure addicts need help from the outside ... but the ones who stay sober are the one who made the choice from the INSIDE to beat their addiction.

Recalling Gray Davis WAS from the inside. the citizens of california said NO and forced him to leave. if the Federal government had stepped in that would have been outside forces.

....... Saying reform starts from outside sources is like saying .... mexico doesn't like our government so they send in random people to try and destroy us. .... that doens't make anysense. .. that isn't reform that's just an outside source trying to destroy whatever they are trying to change. ....

Reform has to start from people who are involved. otherwise it isn't a reform ... it's just some random people forcing an establishment to change. .....

Reform starts from within.
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yo, speaking of addicts, the only way an addict can change is if they want to change. me bitching at my mom or one of my old best friends to get off the skag didnt do shit. get your facts straight before ridding a slippery slope.
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yeah exactly.
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ter·ror·ism Audio pronunciation of "terrorism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.



our forefathers were still british since america didnt "exist" as its own nation yet. and i'm pretty sure they (the group of forefathers) used force and violence to intimidate/coerce a government for political reasons.. if you dont see that, you're blind.
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p.s. when i said reform starts from within.. i meant a country, by its own people

as for the bush crew starting the war... as we all know, terror isnt a physical state of residence... its a state of mind... which goes hand in hand with extremist arabic beliefs... now, if the majority of IRAQ is arabic (which i'm pretty sure it is), and the terrorists who've already attacked us are also arabic (which i'm pretty sure they are)... bombing their "people/kind" i'm 99% sure its not going to make them hate us any less... you cant FIGHT a state of mind.. and when you try... well, you know the results, read 1984.

BUSH: FIGHTING BRAINS SINCE '01!

as for the 2/3 american terrorists point.. you're saying attack them when they sleep, but thats just flat our racial profiling... there are terrorists EVERYWHERE, like i said, you cant fight a frame of mind. attacking a country for reasons that were proven wrong, not even an appology to our soldiers who died fighting for a cause that was non-existant! what kind of bullshit is that?! not to mention we're STILL occupying the land... anyone who claims this is not an imperialist attempt at gaining oil is just a flatout dumbass.
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